Windows Vista is Out The Door!
As you may have seen on the Windows Vista blog, we released Windows Vista to manufacturing today! Wahoo!!!
IE7 in Windows Vista is mostly the same as the IE7 for XP we released a few weeks ago (in fact, we have a single code base for both.) There are a few additional benefits in IE7 in Windows Vista that take advantage of some of the improvements in the new OS, the biggest of which is Protected Mode which allows IE to run at lower than user privilege, thereby providing an additional layer of defense against attacks. Other important differences include our integration with Windows Vista Parental Controls and improved Network Diagnostics.
It’s been a long road to get Windows Vista out the door, but I’m super proud of the result. I can’t wait to see it in stores and on new PCs on January 30, 2007.
Tony Chor
Group Program Manager
Comments
Anonymous
November 08, 2006
Amazing! It doesn't seem like that long ago, well, you know! I hope there's been a little more thought given to flexibility of toolbars in Vista, as well as reverting back to the classic UI, at least for a little while. I don't want to have to make the jump all at once. Will there be a trial version available that runs for a limited time?Anonymous
November 08, 2006
Will IE6 be available for Windows Vista?Anonymous
November 08, 2006
@ Mr. Chor Grats Tony & Friends. I earnestly look forward to it. I will do my bestest to keep myself from buying a Mac this xmas holiday. Does this mean you get your home-lives back?Anonymous
November 08, 2006
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November 08, 2006
Tony, no, Vista comes with IE7. You can, of course, run Virtual PC 2007 beta with a Windows XPSP2/IE6 virtual machine for testing.Anonymous
November 08, 2006
Congratulations, guys :-) @The Anarcho You're right. I guess we could be glad Palladium ("Next-Generation Secure Computing Base") appears to have been dropped, but I'm still not glad about the direction involving DRM. In fact, solely because of DRM, I have started looking at open-source software. The way I see it, it'd be hard having a kind of DRM when you're using only an OSS OS. Then again, Sun's DReaM DRM project might prove to pose additional problems. wishfully requesting Microsoft, please drop the DRM altogether. To go back ontopic, how does one save a webpage when running IE7/Vista in protected mode? Do you have to unsandbox IE7 by clicking "yes" in a dialog first, the way that's probably most secure?Anonymous
November 08, 2006
I will probably wait a few months, at least the first quarter of 2007 while they work out the bugs of Vista. I bet dollars to doughnuts that there will be an "update" or "security release" within a few days when a few systems around the globe crashes with this new system. The pattern seems to be every other Windows release is messed up, 95 was ok, 98 was messed up, 2000 was all right, ME was messed up but XP turned out fine. Not to jinx it, but Vista may come in on the doomed messed up spot.Anonymous
November 08, 2006
@cwilso Only if you are prepared to fork out for the extra windows license to be able to test a browser. d49Anonymous
November 08, 2006
So is this year's offering basically aimed at the US or is everyone going to have the benefit of this technological leap? When is this going to hit the streets of Tokyo? 2020?Anonymous
November 08, 2006
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November 08, 2006
DEAR Tony Chor PLEASE FIX FTP SUPPORT IN IE7 !!!! IT IS SEVERELY BROKEN !!!!Anonymous
November 08, 2006
"VeyrUpset"-- Maybe if you explained what problem you're having, people here can help you?Anonymous
November 08, 2006
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November 08, 2006
SM: Thousands of people run Win2k3 with IE7. I suspect there's something else wrong with your system. What error message did you see? VeryUpset: Maybe if you weren't so very upset, you might actually read? When FTP opens in IE, right at the very top it says: "To view this FTP site in Windows Explorer, click Page, and then click Open FTP Site in Windows Explorer." You can see this in action at e.g. ftp://ftp.borland.com/Anonymous
November 09, 2006
Great work on IE7. I really like it. The only problem is it is virtually unusable due to a few major bugs. Scrolling performance (with smooth scrolling on)with a significant number of websites is unbareable. It is very choppy.Anonymous
November 09, 2006
Andrew: so what are these so-called poor performing sites? I have never seen anything close to the behaviour you are describing and suspect there's something else wrong with your machine. VeryUpset: nothing you have said makes any sense. Drop your anti-ms attitude and you might get something done. Otherwise go use a macAnonymous
November 09, 2006
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November 09, 2006
IE6 have been obsolete for a long time, but as long as so many people runs it, we have to keep suporting it -( I have thought about dooing ie6 and ie7 the other way around, with vista beeing run in a vm under my WindowsXP and linux partition. But 399$ seems a bit much, so I guess I will have to wait until, I get a new paying client who insist both on IE6 and IE7 support.Anonymous
November 09, 2006
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November 09, 2006
And make sure smooth scrolling is enabled.Anonymous
November 09, 2006
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November 09, 2006
Windows Vista (previously codenamed Longhorn) has been released to manufacturing. It will be made available to business customers by the end of the month and to personal users by the end of January 2007. I assume that the version available from the end..Anonymous
November 09, 2006
"as well as reverting back to the classic UI, at least for a little while. I don't want to have to make the jump all at once." The UI is not that different and only takes a day or two to get used to. If everyone were to put it back then no one would get used to it. Although I do believe there is a Windows Classic theme in there, for those people not willing to try things.Anonymous
November 09, 2006
Uhm... IS THERE A CHAT today? Did I miss it? I thought it was always on the 2nd thursday of the month? (10am PST, 1pm EST, etc.)Anonymous
November 09, 2006
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November 09, 2006
Tony: The idea that IE6 is more stable than IE7 is patently absurd. They've fixed TONS of stability bugs. I think it's fair to say that there are still some, and they're probably -different- than the ones in IE6, but there are certainly fewer. The vast vast majority of people don't have problems. Reading here very much skews your view, since folks ~not~ having problems rarely bother to say that.Anonymous
November 09, 2006
"The idea that IE6 is more stable than IE7 is patently absurd. They've fixed TONS of stability bugs." - Thinker Unfortunately as an ISP technical support agent every issue that I have seen involving IE7 has been resolved by uninstalling the browser. Issues vary, from ClearType, to rendering problems, to generic page cannot be displayed. Granted only 1% of the client base actually uses technical support and maybe 20% of that is browser related and the adoption of IE7 has been slower than I originally expected. But I would say 1/10 of clients are using IE7. Of course that means that 9/10 clients are experiencing issues with IE6. The difference is 95% of issues with IE6 are resolvable. Which has not been the case with IE7, at least thus far.Anonymous
November 09, 2006
"Issues vary, from ClearType, to rendering problems" Why is "an ISP technical support agent" fixing those things? Aren't you told to only fix things related to ISP problems? By the way, PEBKACs have nothing to do with browser stability.Anonymous
November 09, 2006
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November 09, 2006
I want to know When the official Chinese version of IE 7.0 release?Anonymous
November 09, 2006
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November 09, 2006
@Bert About software, most of the time Windows runs poorly or unstable because of OTHER software, like bad drivers or Norton "software" (crashware is a better word ;) I have seen this on so many PC's already...Anonymous
November 10, 2006
@ Martin T Vista Home Basic $199 onlyAnonymous
November 10, 2006
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November 10, 2006
More bugs found in IE7. When you type, in a textarea, text, password or file field, that appears underneath a floating block (e.g. a div (e.g. calendars, lists, auto-complete DHTML blocks) the blinking cursor appears through the block above. (similar to the IE6 bug with select list z-ordering) Note that it is fine when you are selecting text, as there is no cursor. Just thought you might want to add this to your bug list, since I can not (cough, cough, cough... (read: please bring back Feedback, or some better system)) cheersAnonymous
November 10, 2006
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November 10, 2006
>> Dickie Enjoy all the 3 programs that exist on Macs then.Anonymous
November 10, 2006
GREAT NEWS! Windows Vista will be the perfect complement to Internet Explorer 7. I think the price is terrific for so much hard work! I will not have to buy security applications now. Splendid job, Microsoft! I will activate and register Vista as soon as I buy it. I am SO excited. We have all been waiting for the next-generation of computers, and Microsoft innovates beyond all imagination while others remain stagnant or inexplicably go broke. They go broke because nobody wants their insecure rubbish!!! Please put me on your mailing list and I hope Vista connects to sa.windows.com just like XP does when doing a local search on my drive (to keep me safer). All the best to you and your wonderful programmers holding our best interests at heart. My business and family wouldn't be possible without your invention of internet and compatibility and convenience! The Blue E and Windows XP and Windows 98 and 95 made it all possible!!!!!Anonymous
November 11, 2006
Still no AU detected anywhere ?Anonymous
November 11, 2006
@ Goose Bravo, well commented! So many people are ready to slate Microsoft. IE7, Office 2007 and Vista already surpass their predessors. I have used Vista RC1 and i'm very excited about the final release in Jan 07. The great thing about Microsoft is their ability to provide updates when a flaw is discovered.Anonymous
November 11, 2006
IE7 still renders in quirks mode if you send it XHTML containing an <?xml-stylesheet?> PI. Example: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <?xml-stylesheet type="text/css" href="common.css"?> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html ...> Can anyone tell me if this is a known bug? Thanks DaveAnonymous
November 11, 2006
Vista? LOL Too little too late.Anonymous
November 11, 2006
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November 12, 2006
Dave: anything before the DTD - except the XML prologue in IE7 - will trigger quirksmode. MS should probably expand that to all XML PI's or just do quirksmode switching only based on DTD and nothing else like any other sane browser. Another funny thing in IE is how standards compliant mode is triggered when an HTML-DTD doesn't have a valid URI in the system identifier but does contain http:// somewhere - IE just seems to check if the system identifier is present and contains http:// but doesn't do a real URI-check: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "This will trigger standards compliants mode simple because I put http:// in here">Anonymous
November 12, 2006
Why *:last-child doesn't work on ie7? Why a.myclass:focus doesn't work on ie7?Anonymous
November 12, 2006
@Tino Yes, I agree. I think it should do quirks mode switching based just on DOCTYPE when sent with the text/html media type. Additionally with application/xml, text/xml and application/xhtml+xml contents it should always render in standards mode, irrespective of what the DOCTYPE is, or even if there is no DOCTYPE at all.Anonymous
November 12, 2006
OS: XP SP2 Ok I'm downloading WMP 11 24.5mb on dial-up using IE 7 while browsing the internet i notice that IE 7 will fail to display webpage here's the message: internet Explorer cannot display webpage. Every time this happen when i download large files on the internet. With IE 6 i don't have this problem at all. Please test IE 7 on dial-up.Anonymous
November 12, 2006
And another buggy, half-baked, full of features no one wants but a program manager needed to keep her job so she just did "something" and put in a "cool" feature, piece of software from Microsoft. IE 7 is garbage. Who in their right mind decided to place the stop button to the far right while placing the back and forward buttons to the far left?? Hit back, decide to stop, must move mouse to the far right to find the stop button. Hint: Dear Microsoft, we have wide screen LCD monitors now. They are WIDE. Moving back and forth is annoying and stupid!Anonymous
November 12, 2006
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November 12, 2006
Is the button element fix on course for IE8? I really, really want to use this element, but it is still broken in IE7 even though many said it was going to be fixed. Right now it can't be used because it sends garbage to the server when the form is submitted. LarryAnonymous
November 12, 2006
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November 12, 2006
Dean, OT but... In <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=203084&threshold=3&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=16612664">this</a> slashdot article, you made a <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=203084&cid=16616248"promise</a> to look into improving life for web developers and testing sites against past, present and future versions of ie. You were going to blog on this within the week. This might have been related to ACT, but having downloaded and read part of that paper, that actually just deals with future rather than present and past.Anonymous
November 12, 2006
Does IE 7 support display:table and its kin, NO. try it for yourself in the playground area here http://www.quirksmode.org/css/display.htmlAnonymous
November 12, 2006
@Dave H: "Additionally with application/xml, text/xml and application/xhtml+xml contents it should always render in standards mode, irrespective of what the DOCTYPE is, or even if there is no DOCTYPE at all." Indeed, xml-applications should always be rendered in standards mode - I believe that is even prescribed by the specifications and MS should take that at heart when they built in XHTML support, whenever that may be...Anonymous
November 12, 2006
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November 13, 2006
Sorry I see I was wrong about downloading IE7. I thought the user would click "No" once and that was that. If Microsoft keep nagging people to download it when they don't want to, then that is bad. @Goose, please. No-one can be that pro-MS. Your posts come across as the work of a troll having a laugh. Ironically some of what you say is true. Whilst some ("Microsoft innovates beyond all imagination") is doubtful. You're not fooling everyone. BTW, Microsoft didn't invent the internet! And without competition, we wouldn't have had IE7, would we?Anonymous
November 13, 2006
IE7 ate my dog and then set fire to my girlfriend. When is Microsoft going to do something about that ??Anonymous
November 13, 2006
is it possible to see how it looks in fact...something like demo or trial...Anonymous
November 14, 2006
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November 14, 2006
Vista is not compatible with some programs i.e PhotoshopAnonymous
November 16, 2006
Firefox is so much better!!! They don't need forums for everyone to list their problemsAnonymous
November 17, 2006
I have a problem with feeds in ie7 with vista. I have imported my feeds from ie7-xp. I can see the feed names, but when i click on one of them i get "Internet Explorer cannot display this feed". It works fine in Outlook 2007. Anyone know of this problem?Anonymous
November 18, 2006
Just a very basic question regarding IE7 add on development. Can we (i guess we can) create IE addons in .net (C# or VB.net). If yes, can we use .Net Framework 3.0 for this purpose. I hope this should work for client machines having vista on them, but not sure whether it will work for client machines having IE7 on Windows XP (or Win XP SP2)?Anonymous
November 18, 2006
I found out what was wrong. I had moved the location of my favorites folder. Rss-feeds apparently don’t work if you do that. Probably a bug.Anonymous
November 21, 2006
I have been using IE7 on XP, and have been hit by the 'missing DWMAPI.dll' bug as well. Has there been anything done to address the fact that this file has become a dependency for many other DLLs, but it is missing unless you are running Vista????? DanAnonymous
November 22, 2006
It seems that if i run ie as administrator, then my feeds work without problems.Anonymous
November 22, 2006
Cool, (maybe not) I just spent 24 hours trying to get internet connect speeds across my network above 1.0k/s with Vista RC2 (XP and Win 98 do 300 - 600 k/s to the same sites - such as ms update!) It was so slow, I couldn't even get updates to see if they fixed it, the runonce msn site doesn't load (enforced first page), you can't even browse to support pages Lots of people are suffering the same, in fact anyone with a hardware firewall it seems, so the business market would seem to be out of the frame completely Hope that no-one is planning an easy switch over once they have parted with their hard earned cash