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The little things count...

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It’s clear from the comments that the participants and readers enjoyed our August 10th chat. It was a pleasant surprise to not only get a ‘Great Job’ but also to get ‘xxxx’ (kisses) from one of the participants (to find out the exact quote, check out the transcript and Ctrl+F ‘xxxx’). I never expected to connect in this way with a customer but hey, I love surprises. Please feel free to come to the next chat (the schedule is available at: https://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/chats/default.mspx).

We enjoy your company and speaking for myself, these little gestures help to keep going.

Cheers,
Uche Enuha
Program Manager

Comments

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.  IE7 is still a steaming pile compared to Firefox, Opera, or any of the more modern browsers.  You have a LONG way to go.

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    It's the classy comments like yours, T. Ferguson, that make the IEBlog so much fun.

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    It's the classy comments like yours, T. Ferguson, that make the IEBlog so much fun.

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    Any chance of adding anchors to the individual questions on the transcripts in future? Would make it much easier to link to specific questions for you, me and anybody else that needs to do it for whatever reason :)

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    Why don't you guys rewrite IE in Managed code?  Yes, it might be a little bit slower but at least we wouldn't have to deal with the (almost daily) security breaches from the innumerable buffer overflows that apparently still reside in the code.

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    Well i thought T Fergusons comment was absolutely hilarious and makes that post well worth reading.

    Keep it up

    AJ

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    LOL @ Uche

    Indeed though, it is pretty rare these days that anyone sends you guys anything but seething unrest.

    [snarky]
    We're sure to see posts indicating that the Mozilla has TWICE the virtual kisses directed at them... of course though, they'll reference a year old article. Opera will noticably receive no mention.
    [/snarky]

    ps, it's good to see (in the transcripts) that I'm not the only one that makes typos! :)

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    August 17, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    I'm sure this has been brought up numorous times, but why is the refresh button on the right and not near the back/forward buttons?

    This seems like a big flaw, especially for people using forums, posting comments etc.

    eg. Visit a forum, enter a thread, post a reply, click "back" to go back to the index, then scroll all the way across the address bar to click "refresh" to see if there are any new posts.

    IE7 users will definately win in a mouse pedometer competition.

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    You know we all love you, Uche. :-)

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    Garth:  Short answer?  Because that's how it is in Windows Explorer in Vista.  And remember, Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer used to use the same code for stuff like the window frame, menus, toolbars, etc.

    But at some point they seemed to have "de-integrated" the two explorers (hence, why IE has a separate stop button while WE still has the combined refresh/stop button).  So, now that they're separate, why not continue to make changes?  I don't know.  I'm sure there's a "long answer" that someone on the IE team could give us. :)

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    @cooperpx: rofl. :-)

    @Garth: If you don't want to use the keyboard shortcuts, and you don't have a mouse with programmable buttons, you might like the IE Gestures plugin that lets you refresh (or go back, forward, etc) without moving the mouse up to the toolbar.  See http://enhanceie.com for that and other great addons.

    @PatriotB: The other short answer is that there's lots of customizability that we'd like to offer, and will in the future.

    @Anon: Unfortunately, buffer overflows are only a small (and shrinking) part of the picture.  Between NX support on hardware, GS support in the compilers, and automated code-review tools, and protected mode on Vista, buffer overflow prevention has dramatically improved over the last few years.  That's not to imply that the security job is done, or that managed code doesn't have a bright future, but just that it's not a panacea.

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    I can only hope that the IE team can shed some light on the reasoning behind the separation.

    All the other interface changes are improvements, no-one really uses the menu toolbar constantly, however I am very curious to know why the refresh button was moved into such an illogical place.

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    Great to hear that

    "Markus Mielke will have an IEBlog post shortly on the CSS changes in IE7."

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    Just a word of warning; it is bad enough that it looks now that IE7 will ship not having the same level of CSS-conformance that other browsers have, but it needs to be said that shipping IE7 with a badly broken (as in buggy) implementation - IE7 beta 3 has fundamental flaws and bugs in the CSS-area - would be a very bad thing.

  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 17, 2006
    The little things like decent CSS Support?

    :)

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    This has nothing to do with the subject: I'm just posting it in hope someone can help me. Previously I was able to see the pictures in this blog (and all others) and now I can only see pictures in the others -- but not in this one. Any hint?
    Thanks.

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    Quick question:

    In developing IE7, MS released the "Developer Toolbar" for IE7 (and IE6).  It went through a revision to fix a bunch of bugs, but since, it has kind of dropped from discussions...

    I think the tool has potential to be much better (e.g. like the Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox)
    but I don't have a location to send feedback/bug reports?

    E.g.
    1.) The Ruler won't work across frames, or SVG documents (likely other things)
    2.) many of the editable properties won't apply, or do not take effect.

    Where can we start logging the bugs/feature requests, and also, when can we expect the next release?

    Cheers,
    Steve

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    Yikes... my Dev toolbar in IE7 doesn't even handle frames! (in a vmware session).

    Am I the only one noticing this?
    (PS it displays in IE6, but not in my virtual IE7)

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    In a previous chat there was mention that the run-as functionality for IE was going away - meaning you won't be able to do a run-as, and then browse to your local C: to launch things (control panel) easily under a different security context.  Is this still the case?  if so, the large beverage company I work for will have a lot of very unhappy support.  

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    Hey IEGuys, I'm still waiting for a couple of little things like highlighting text and dragging them into the search and/or url bar

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    Steve,
    Rest assured that the Developer toolbar has not dropped off the radar at all. We have a number of enhancements to it in the works and are definitely interested in any reported bugs. Please give feedback through the IE feedback channels http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/support/default.mspx and we'll be sure to see it.

    Thanks
    -Dave

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    I'm finding IE7 to be an efficient browser. I do have one "little thing" that is a bit of an issue for me.

    When one goes to add something to Favorites, the drop down seems to be in no particular order. Any chance that in the next "new & improved" version of the beta that can maintain a sense of order that more resembles one's order of Favorites, so that the folder where a new link goes can be easily found?

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    @EricLaw

    again, save target as does not work on any page! what could be the problem? the option to save any link to the disk isn't even allowed, it's always grayed out.

    should i reinstall ie7 completely?

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006

    UpDated...

    Internet Options ---> Advanced ---> Browsing --->

    [x] Open Windows Full Screen.


    The little things count...

    Aloha!

    ;-)

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    Has anyone tried to unistall IE7 and have windows still work?  I uninstalled IE7 to test a probable incompatibility with Macromedia Dreamweaver.  It fixed the incompatibility, but now I get messages when running different programs that the publisher can't be verified.  This never happened before.  I have since tried reinstalling IE6 and XP SP2, but to no avail.  Now I am back to installing IE7 to have my little incompatibility problem again.

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    IE7 is bug-frozen now.
    No more bugs will be fixed for the next 6 month and the time will be used for polishing the chrome.

    Users
    ..Developers
    ....Web Developers

    We heard you!!!

    And we're telling you "SHUT UP"

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    @Ray, that's something for Digg to fix.

    @IETeam, apparently you've fixed the Quirky Percentages bug [1] from the PIE article [2], however it still looks very broken to me in IE7B3. Have you fixed it or not?

    [1]: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/445242.aspx
    [2]: http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/percentages.html

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
    @Fduch: You're confused-- "polishing" means fixing bugs.

    @D Jackson: Are the programs in question located on a network share?

    @DR_DREW: If you right-click on the Internet Explorer desktop icon and choose to start IE with No Addons, does this problem still occur?

  • Anonymous
    August 18, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 19, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 19, 2006
    Eric,

    Yes the programs are on a network share.  One is for our accounting software and the other is for an encryption key maker that we use.

    Also, with Macromedia Dreamweaver, when IE7 is installed, it can't seem to save the login information for putting files to our web ftp site.  The local copy of the webfiles are also on a network share.

  • Anonymous
    August 19, 2006
    @EricLaw
    By "Polishing the Chrome" I meant PR, talking to site owners, redrawing a pair of icons etc.
    I say that because when I look at bugs at connect I [nearly] always see
    *Won't fix (It's not fun)
    *Not reproducible (while many people can reproduce it and even write it in comments)
    *By Design (This is often hilarious)

    Q "IE7 Doesn't work"
    A "By Design", "Closed"

  • Anonymous
    August 19, 2006
    @D Jackson: Inside IE, choose Tools | Internet options | Security.  For each of the security zones, set the security setting to the default level.  On the Intranet zone, click Sites, and check all three boxes on the dialog.

  • Anonymous
    August 19, 2006
    A simple question to the IE team:

       Is IE better than other browsers? If it is, then why (specifically)?

    I wonder if IE Team is capable to answer.

  • Anonymous
    August 19, 2006
    Silly question, silly answer.

    IE is better than other browsers.  It's also the same as other browsers. It's also worse than other browsers.

  • Anonymous
    August 19, 2006
    Hey guys, I had this great super innovative idea. We clearly have millions of fans who care passionately about our product. We should pay some some of the fanbois and get them to build a huge crop circle in the shape of the IE logo!!!

    How cool and original would that be??

    Of course, we would need to run it by legal first. And the trademark signs would be hard to see even in a very big crop circle indeed. But given how popular our browser is (we're SO honored that Joe Q Public CHOOSES us!!!) we must have people champing at the bit to do their bit to promote our software...

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    I can't understand why so many people have trouble with the truly little things.  Like moving the refresh button, I never touch the mouse most of the time keyboard shortsuts are much faster when browsing.  I am more cocerned about the CSS issue but I also realize that everything takes time in these implementations. I also freely admit that there isn't a perfect browser anywhere out there or on the foreseeable horizon.  Lets dump the negatives on things that do not truly matter and concentrate on the real issues.  Security is the paramount need and from what I've found I feel it is being addressed in IE7, it still needs a lot of attention.  I also see that it needs a lot of attention in all the other browsers as well.  Anyone who won't admit that is simply not facing reality.  Thats my humble opinion.

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    How can I uninstall Internet explorer from my system without affecting my OS? I say this because unfortanely, while the devs of IE don't want to make IE7 compatible with the new standars, more and more pages are switching to to it and with IE7, I just can't browse more than 20 pages, which are the one I visit more. I sent an email reporting this BUG, and I got an email back saying it was already FIXED but as you can read is a big LIE from Microsoft. between the errors they are: can't see the background, problems with Css menus, problems with images, This don't happen with Opera, Mozilla Firefox and neither with  Netscape, I tested them all, So who here can do me a favor and give me a link, of how can I uninstall Internet explorer 7 and Windows XP internet explore, without affecting the windows update system and the windows of Windows, in other words a safe way to uninstall IE from my system once and for all.

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    How is it that IE 7 looks like a bad (but probably was really expensive) knock-off of Mozilla Firefox? Firefox has cool extensions, does IE 7? <a href="http://getfirefox.com>Get Firefox</a> instead.

    I noticed on the IE download page that it's the "world's most popular Web browser," but probably because every Windows computer and OS is shipped with it. That'll change once people download Firefox some more after the first 100 million it already has.

    Happy trials, IE users!

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    I have an ASUS Z83V and I cannot uninstall IE 7. Love the product but cannot get the runonce screen to go away. Please help!

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    Before all AnoL, Mozilla gets money for developing Firefox, so if we are talking about $$$, all the software developers (companies, foundations), receive money for their work, even if they just ads to their websites.

    Second for i...ot like you the team of microsoft don't take seriouslly custormers like me, at the moment to be honest, I don't expect them to fix the SERIOUS rendering and visualization problems of IE, all I just want is a way to uninstall IE7 and then to Uninstall IE once and for all, but not for that I am going to come over here and blame corporations and their system, because the poor programming of the IE7. I also hate the arrogant attitude of the IE team saying that they were not going to make IE compatible with the new web standars and which is the result, now more of the 20 page I visit frequently are using those standars and the big hit will be whe world of warcraft page switch to those standards and the million of players, will be forced to switch to firefox, opera, netscape and other browsers.

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    PNG transparency is fixed.  There's still an issue with gamma, but for the most part, transparent PNGs work just fine.

    Hugh--- Do you have script enabled?  Also check Tools > Manage Addons and make sure that you've got the ShellUI helper enabled?  

    Oma: Why call it a "standard" if it doesn't work in the browser which more than 85% of people use?  

    That's like saying VHS was bad because it doesn't support the BETAMAX "standard" tapes.

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    Why does VML access now come up with a "Do you wish to run this activeX control?" --- isn't it marked as safe?

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    DR_DREW: Is Content Advisor turned on?  (Tools > Options > Content)  From what I understand, when Content Advisor is turned on, IE automatically disables the "Save Target As" link because it doesn't know whether the target file will be allowed or banned.  (Though, there are probably better ways to have designed that feature...)

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    Before all, thanks for giving suggestion to possible fix, secon, is not true internet is not holding more than 60% at the moment, I work with various hosting, including http://veguild.org which is guild site for a upcoming game and all the awstasts give IE between 53 to 60%, in that presice range.

    When I first came over here to complain about the same problem it was just one website, now 20 switched to the same standard, so i can't visualize the web, so what should i do, tell the webmaster hey don't use those standars because  I can't see the web?, he will reply, is easier for me to work with the website that way and keep the design with CSS and the new standars. LETS FACE IT, the numbers at the sites say it. the true is that IE lost about 10# more of their users in just 3 months, and while I love teh great interface of IE7, my main goal with the browser is to see the websites.

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    Omar, you're mistaken.  See data from multiple sources at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers, and you'll notice IE share in the mid-80s.

    It sounds like you're having a problem with your installation of IE.  How about you tell us which sites you're having a problem "visualizing" and explain what's wrong with them?

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    FIX THE FAVICONS !!!!

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    <a href="lucky7.to/jonn">msn.com</a>

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
    http://mail.ru

  • Anonymous
    August 20, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
    <quote>@D Jackson: Inside IE, choose Tools | Internet options | Security.  For each of the security zones, set the security setting to the default level.  On the Intranet zone, click Sites, and check all three boxes on the dialog.</quote>

    @EricLaw: This worked for anything that was being accessed via a browser, but the two programs that I was concerned about, don't use IE. Or if they do then it isn't really apparent that they do.  I found no way to fix the two non-IE integrated applications, so I had to reinstall IE7.  Now I am back to having a small incompatibility with Dreamweaver, where it won't remember the login information for putting files up to our ftp site.

  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
    Frank, before all I work with websites and I manage 8 websites and did creative job for oteher 12, IE is between the 55% to 60%, at least is what all the websites awstasts say to me.


    Heck William, you are right, well not really, check the comments from the very beta 1 to now beta 3, they came with a beta 3 browser a few weeks earlier tha they planned with just UI modification and tool fixes, but nothing related with the CSS and others rendering problems. Now, then what the heck I am doing here? i am trying to find a way to uninstall IE from windows XP without affecting windows update, because they made a fully integrated system, where if you remove something the whole system dies... at least is my exprience with PC lite products.

    Anyway any hint on this.?

  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
    IEBlog guys - I heard IE7 RC1 is going to be released to the public on Wednesday this week (Aug 23rd). If so, I'm excited. Is this true?

  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
    Bill:

    "Yes, like many of you, I have literally lost years off my life trying to work around IE bugs."

    The thing is that with the current state of IE7 we (webdevelopers) can expect to keep losing 'years of our lives' because IE7 still has a buggy CSS-implementation. In that respect (buggy in IE6, still buggy in IE7) it is not much of an improvement. I even would like to call it a set-back since IE7 may have fixed some issues that where annoying in IE6 but introduced some new annoying bugs that have to be dealt with seperately.

  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
    I think that some non-web-developers can wonder what's all this buzz about "CSS", all that "standarts" and "compliance"/"support".

    They should take a look at this.
    http://realfduch.deviantart.com/
    This site hosts more than 18 Millions pieces of art. I think it's the biggest of it's kind.
    Look and laugh. (or cry)

  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
    Tino -- are you suggesting that Microsoft shouldn't release a new version of IE until it has 100% support for [insert standard here] ?

    Are you also offering the same suggestion to the folks working on Firefox 2.0?  Because as far as I know, it still isn't perfect either (e.g. it won't pass Acid2 either).

  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
    tedzzz: "it  will  require  sp2 and  only 1/3 of xp users have it."

    You'll notice that the article you link to is over 1 year old.  I imagine that the percentage is much, much higher now.  And maybe IE7 requiring SP2 will be a good incentive to those last holdouts.  That and the fact that XPSP1 support is scheduled to end on October 10 of this year: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean19

    Anyone running XP but not SP2 is just asking for security problems.  You've had two years to resolve any issues that's holding you back: time to install it.

  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
    PatriotB: No, I'm suggesting Microsoft shouldn't release a new version until it's CSS-support is on a simular level as other browsers.

  • Anonymous
    August 21, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 22, 2006
    I agree with Tino, my exprerience of Ie7 is thus:

    Some additions and bug fixes from ie6.
    The addition of some fairly fundamental rendering bugs that weren't in ie6. How useful is that?

    I'm starting to feel sentimental about ie6 all of a sudden. It's bugs are.. familiar, still annoying, but at least we're all well drilled in working around them.

    Bring on the conditional comments:
    <!--[if new IE browser]
    <p>
    precious hours of happy socialbility, being
    lost supporting this new internet explorer
    </p>
    --[end if]-->




       

  • Anonymous
    August 22, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 22, 2006
    "PatriotB: No, I'm suggesting Microsoft shouldn't release a new version until it's CSS-support is on a simular level as other browsers."

    So when people ask for standards support, what they mean is they should support the competition?

    Until someone can produce a browser that is 100% supportive of standards (I think this will never happen) everyone should stop complaining about IE and just work with it. That is what you're paid to do.

    If you don't like developing websites that work with IE, then stop developing websites. It's all part of it.

    And believe it or not, most people couldn't care less about standards support so this mass transition to Firefox people keep expecting will most likely not happen.

    PS: It's 80%+ by the way, not 50-60%.

  • Anonymous
    August 22, 2006
    "I just want is a way to uninstall IE7 and then to Uninstall IE once and for all, but not for that I am going to come over here and blame corporations and their system, because the poor programming of the IE7."
    - Oma Perez

    There is a big problem with this.  If you were able to uninstall IE completely, many Windows applications would no longer function properly.  That's because using IE's rendering engine for a third-party application's interface is a fairly common practice.  In fact there's some software that I've taken over the development on which was done this way.

  • Anonymous
    August 22, 2006
    "Tino -- are you suggesting that Microsoft shouldn't release a new version of IE until it has 100% support for [insert standard here] ? "

    I don't think anybody is saying that, the issue is very clearly a question of what happens after IE 7..

    Some of us don't develop with table layouts, being as the year is 2006 (so I’m told). I don't personally use IE much, but that doesn't change the fact that I have to develop for it which currently is an absolute nightmare.

    I've been wanting to develop in XHTML 1.1 and CSS 2 for a while, but currently the implementation just isn't anywhere in sight - will we really have to wait 6 years for IE 8, and by then will there even be XHTML 1.1 and full CSS 2 support? What about X-Forms and CSS 3, XHTML 2 and all the other goodness that should in theory actually make developing web browsers easier.

    Would it have hurt you guys really to build an XML rendering engine in the space of 6 years? I bet if you'd actually bothered you could have put together such a thing together in 2 months, so why claim otherwise?

    I know some of you IE lovers think standards are stupid, but standards make the world go round - they enable interop between applications and without them we'd return to a world of "This site works best with <Insert Useless Browser Here>".

    In fact, given the severe lack of IE updates and the state (or lack of state) of IE 7 - I'm surprised we haven't already got there.

    The number of times I've almost served up a page explaining why IE users can't visit a site you wouldn't believe.

    All I'm saying is, people should be more understanding of why as web developers, we get pretty emotional about what goes on with IE - if something doesn't work right it can take hours of work to fix it for IE, even if the page meets the standards and works in every other browser - which is the case 99% of the time.

  • Anonymous
    August 22, 2006
    "So when people ask for standards support, what they mean is they should support the competition? "

    No, although the competition definitely sets a target and when bringing a new product to the market you should strive to achieve that same target and preferably be even better than the competition. IE7 by all means is not when it comes to CSS-compliance.

    The last thing we (webdevelopers) need is yet another browser with broken CSS-support (we already have some of those to support and they all come from a company in Redmond), and by broken I don't mean lack of some features but broken in the sence of buggy as in not according to the standard as in showing behavior that is incorrect wereas it is (mostly) correct in other browsers.

    Although IE7 still suffers from a lot of bugs that were already present in IE6 it is a vastly different browser when it comes to CSS rendering and introduces a whole new set of bugs that need to be dealt with seperately from the known workarounds we had for the bugs in IE6. That means more extra work and unhappy customers because they now have to pay more and will be totally confused because Microsoft keeps telling everybody that IE7 is more standards-compliant.

    In terms of numbers by adding some features and fixing some bugs you may argue that that will make you 'more compliant', but at the end of the day it is still a broken implementation, and as long as the problems are still on a very fundamental level I'd argue that IE7 is still a very non-compliant browser...

  • Anonymous
    August 22, 2006
    "I know some of you IE lovers think standards are stupid, but standards make the world go round - they enable interop between applications and without them we'd return to a world of "This site works best with <Insert Useless Browser Here>"."

    I haven't seen any "IE lover" claim that standards are not helpful. Without standards we would still be serving tables with background images.

    What bothers me is when "Firefox lovers" come in, claiming it is the best and every other browser should be modeled after it. Sure it has good standards support, but it's not the perfect browser. There are others who in my opinion have done it better.

    HTML/CSS is what it is currently. IE requires some minor additional changes/tweaking. But contrary to what some people like to claim, it is not 90% of development or "years of sociable time" lost.

    I think that part of the blame falls on incompetent developers that for years used faulty techniques and methods. IE is different from all browsers in that it has to support previous functionality too. They can't just - like Firefox - release a new version which completely breaks all existing plugins. Few commercial entities use Firefox so there is no responsibility. Similar with updates, when IE has to release an update, it needs to be tested thoroughly. With Firefox, it is just released and websites that care enough will fix themself. Open source may have its benefits, but constant support is not one of them. There is a reason many people still use Microsoft's programs. And it is not because it is claimed to be a monopoly.

  • Anonymous
    August 22, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    August 22, 2006
    I'm glad you've been putting forth this effort.  IE7 will be using our W3C style sheet for our upcoming site, rather than our IE6 style sheet. Good on you.

    Nevertheless, I keep discovering interesting glitches. An experimental page I'm working on, exhibits two of them:
    http://www.sfmta.com/test_cb/newsite/sfmta/iframeparent001.htm

    In one glitch, an XML page that I've expected to be rendered within an IFRAME via my XSLT file, has instead been displayed as IE7 would normally display a feed.  Shades of the substitute 404 page!  How do I tell IE7 that I want it to apply the XSLT instead of treating the file as a feed?

    In the other glitch, I am attempting to set the height of the IFRAME based on the height of its content.  Even though the parent page and the IFRAME target are on the same server, I am getting an "Access Denied" JavaScript error.  I would only expect to get this error if the two files were on different servers.

    Any suggestions on workarounds?

  • Anonymous
    August 22, 2006
    @Aedrin "It's 80%+ by the way, not 50-60%."  I assume that was @Omar Perez.  

    Browser choices are likely to vary depending on audience.

    Our website, a public transit site, stats have IE at less than 2/3, Mozilla at 2/9, and Safari at 1/9 (all approximate) last time I checked.  But most of our site visitors are from the San Francisco Bay Area.   Obviously a Linux site is going to get a lower % of IE visitors since IE doesn't run on Linux.

    Percentages only matter for prioritization.  Everyone has to be able to use our site.  It doesn't have to be pretty for everyone.

  • Anonymous
    August 23, 2006
    IE7 has some cool stuff, but some bad stuff. Mozilla has come cool stuff, but some horrendous stuff.

    Still waiting for someone to come up with a browser that offers best of both worlds (and discard the bad things, of course)

    Microsoft's interest in the Mozilla project should be a start of new stuff to come.
    MozIE?
    MSFox?

  • Anonymous
    August 23, 2006
    Sory man, I could not find **** (kiss) in the transcript. Maybe it was illusion?

  • Anonymous
    August 23, 2006
    And who said that my sites are linux oriented? I didn't  in fact the 98.5 of the 8 sites on which I am currently working use, windows OS, linux is about the 0.4 and Mac around 0.6, My most recent project is a guild site for a game which was going to be published by Microsoft and now is being published by SOE, I am talking about Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, I am going to play it and I made a website for my guild.

    Well. peace..

  • Anonymous
    August 23, 2006
    Two features on the top of my list:

    1. A mute button

    2. A keyboard shortcut for "Break at Next Statement"

  • Anonymous
    August 24, 2006
    Very close but, oops, far away from the fix needed, hehe, is amazing we are in where now? RC1? and they  from my perspective only fixed one error of the four on which I am a victim.

    Pending fixes:

    Background Errors: Backgrounds are not showing up in IE7.

    Links: Links are appearing in different color.

    Fonts errors: IE7 is displaying different fonts and sometimes characters, like TM, (r), etc, where there should be a font.

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