MSXML5...Not in This IE
Some of you may have noticed the following goldbar on some websites:
Our friend Adam on the XML team recently posted on the XML Team’s Blog about MSXML versioning. It’s a great read and thoroughly explains the best practices for using MSXML. As we’ve posted previously, MSXML5 is not pre-approved as there are better options such as MSXML6 and IE’s native XMLHTTP control which you can use on your webpage. Users will need to approve MSXML5 before it can be used on your webpage.
Please help us give users a great experience by moving to the supported versions of MSXML!
sharon cohen
Program Manager
Comments
Anonymous
October 27, 2006
http://www.eurogamer.net/ has this problem since the early beta versions of IE7. I can't believe none of these guys have noticed it until now. I find it really strange for big sites like eurogamer.net not testing their pages with all the primary browsers. Many of these sites have issues that are very easy to fix. By the way, they are using the Sarissa library ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/sarissa ) for handling XML. If it is related, somebody should inform those guys too.Anonymous
October 27, 2006
Hello! I'm a fan of all things starting with MS! Keep up the good work, Microsoft! Shame on developers for not following your lead!Anonymous
October 27, 2006
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October 27, 2006
IEBlog : MSXML5...Not in This IE Some of you may have noticed the following goldbar on some websites: Our friend Adam on the XML team recently posted on the XML Team's Blog about MSXML versioning. It's a great read and...Anonymous
October 27, 2006
At first you made sense, and has some ideas. Then you started foaming at the mouth when you lost your documents. Now you're just pulling bad trolls. You can do much better than that, Fduch.Anonymous
October 27, 2006
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October 27, 2006
If you right click, on the "go left" and "go right" tabs in IE7 (when there are more than about 6... (yes, thats a dig)... the context menu drops down with options that don't make sense. The refresh doesn't refresh, the new tab, doesn't make a new tab, the refresh all, doesn't refresh any, and closing this or the "other" tabs, doesn't close any! Is there any chance that all these graphical glitches are going to be fixed in an upcomming patch? It looks very unpolished ATM. Thanks, SteveAnonymous
October 27, 2006
Steve: goose's messages have been consistent though. So at least he makes some 'sense'.Anonymous
October 27, 2006
I'm getting exceedingly sarcastic vibes from comments in this blog, and it's just getting worse every day. If straight reasoning is not getting ahead, sarcastic one most possibly won't either. Be careful Fduch! You're showing early symptoms of the terminal disease this goose guy has been suffering from. And don't "Yeah right" me, no matter how much you see yourself far from the goose guy, if you persist in indulging in sarcasm you'll get there buddy. (And be glad when people are criticizing you of being not on a par with your past. Bring that old-Fduch we knew) ~Anonymous
October 27, 2006
What makes you think Fduch and Goose aren't really the same person? If someone bothers to post rants to the blog every day, why not do it as two different personas?Anonymous
October 27, 2006
Well...it is true. You learn something new every day. I didn't know that the information bar could also be referred to as a "goldbar". Quite honestly, the "goldbar" term sounds a lot nicer and is quicker to say. :-)Anonymous
October 27, 2006
No, I'm not goose. Cannot prove it, but who cares. >You can do much better than that, Fduch. The question is WHAT can I do. I feel guilty for the state of IE7 as I see it. I'm the part of the mess. I was tester. I did everything I could to make it good (different people have different meaning for "good"). And then not so suddenly (Vista coming) it was released. I feel that I failed to do the tester's job and to bring IE7 to the stability and perfomance mark I desired. So I'm sad.Anonymous
October 27, 2006
Javascript and Java are probally not safer than MSXML5. If I'm browsing something.com, why should IE run java or javascript from big-advertisements.com?Anonymous
October 27, 2006
While not running javascripts from third party domains would be a nice feature, I think Microsoft has every reason to not touch a thing with Java... well, it's only one reason, but it's a good one learned through an unfortunate experience.Anonymous
October 27, 2006
Explorer 7 doesn't work with many Hewlett-Packard products such as HP Director which will not open if you have exporer 7 intalled leaving you unable to use scaners or other diveces from your computer. If you have a HP computer or Products i strongly advise you not to intall it it'll cause far more problem than its worth...Anonymous
October 27, 2006
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October 28, 2006
@Fduch, re: "I feel guilty for the state of IE7 as I see it. I'm the part of the mess." I hear ya. I too spent hundreds of hours finding, reporting, and verifying dozens and dozens of bugs in IE7 (betas and RC). None were fixed, and I doubt (m)any saw the light of a developers eyes. I do trully hope that Feedback (or a much better system) does get resurected soon. Its need is painfully obvious, and I want to be part of the solution. Waiting (im)patiently for Feedback(2)... SteveAnonymous
October 28, 2006
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October 28, 2006
Good spirit Steve! Keep it up.Anonymous
October 28, 2006
dear sir, put back way i had, for i can compose messages. this is not working the way theURL is. thank -you lindajeanglasgow@yahoo.caAnonymous
October 28, 2006
I am using Internet Explorer 7 on Limited Account. where can i find the temporary Internet Files folder or where does Internet Explorer 7 store the temporary internet Files Folder. The Temporarily internet files folder is not visible on Limited account at all when looking at Window Explorer. Yes i have show hidden files and folders selected. on Limited Account I've look on this folder and can not find the temporary internet files for Internet Explorer 7. C:Documents and SettingsSAKingsLocal Settings C:Documents and SettingsJEAA4Local SettingsTemp I can easily see the temporary internet files when log in with Adam which is a Administrator account on this location C:Documents and SettingsAdamLocal SettingsTemp which is administrator account.Anonymous
October 28, 2006
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October 28, 2006
Why isn't IE7 being downloaded from an FTP server?Anonymous
October 28, 2006
This is not related to XML parsing, rather IE's proxy support. Is there any way to store the username/pwd for a proxy that needs one, so that I am not asked on every startup?Anonymous
October 29, 2006
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October 29, 2006
Oh, not again, please..... Why can't you guys make it backward-compatible? I've heard a lot about MSXML-related problems from my development team before and it seems to me that the nightmare will return soon.Anonymous
October 29, 2006
Will the new browser help with encoding problems like Lavasoft Ad-aware  or is this because of Hotmail? Not sure if Live Mail will finally support Unicode (UTF-8). So many times I get email with weird symbols and such.Anonymous
October 30, 2006
i have uninstall IE7 and keep with IE6 and FF 2.0 i will try IE7 next year. :)Anonymous
October 30, 2006
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October 30, 2006
Just a follow up... if for some reason finding some info on the various problems with incompatible software is not known or difficult: Norton crashes: http://www.google.ca/search?num=50&hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=crash+norton+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fblogs.msdn.com%2Fie%2F&btnG=Search&meta= HP crashes: http://www.google.ca/search?num=50&hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=crash+hp+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fblogs.msdn.com%2Fie%2F&btnG=Search&meta= I'd link to the search on this Blog, but as we all know, it doesn't work. :-(Anonymous
October 30, 2006
Another UI glitch. If you have say, 57+ tabs open, the dropdown list beside the quicktabs tab, only shows a portion of the tabs open. (limits to 24). e.g. if I have 53 tabs open, it shows me all of them in the drop down (with scrolling). However, if I have 57 tabs open, I only see 24 of them.Anonymous
October 30, 2006
"2.5 hours @ $100 USD/hour" That's a little bit expensive, don't you think? I don't know what kind of tech support you do normally. But I wouldn't mind getting employed there. By the way, is it such a horrible experience to help out family members? It is a well known fact that anyone with some technical computer knowledge will be freely used by family members. And I feel that is fine, because the amount of money some of the companies charge is ridiculous. It is a similar situation to car repair. The client doesn't know much about it so they get charged for every small thing they find.Anonymous
October 30, 2006
Woah! another UI glitch! Open a bunch of your favorite websites... maybe your bank, youtube, yahoo, google, msn, msdn, digg, importantsite1, your blog, hotmail, etc. now, right click on your current tab and click refresh. OK, no problem, refreshes your tab. Now, do the right click again, but pretend this time, you weren't so accurate with your click, and you click the "Close Other Tabs" option. Whamo! All your precious edits, sites, gone! This action, should be just like the close, on the browser itself with multiple tabs open. It should prompt with the "Do you want to close all tabs?" options. Fairly important since there isn't an "undo close tabs" option.Anonymous
October 30, 2006
> If you have say, 57+ tabs open Oh, come on.. that's not exactly a highly realistic situation is it.. Sure, there may be a bug, but surely there are more important things for the IE team to have dealt with than support for 57+ tabs ..Anonymous
October 30, 2006
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October 30, 2006
@Thomas Tallyce Yes, not exactly a major, major issue, but just one more to add to the list. Since IE Feedback is down, the only place to track bugs in IE7, is on this Blog.Anonymous
October 30, 2006
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October 30, 2006
Okay, hopefully the last one for today, but this one just got me baffled. If I right click in the address bar, or the search bar, I get 2 options for which I have no clue what they are about. 1.) Open IME (and then Close IME, if you Open it) 2.) Reconversion Now, if this is some cool new feature, I want in!... but I don't get what it is, or even what it is for. Nothing "appears" to happen when you open or close the IME? Any chance of a Blog Topic? or is this a bug?Anonymous
October 30, 2006
(must stop suggesting this is the last one... there is always one more ;-) Anyone else notice, that if in your Tab settings, if you set the checkbox to open a new tab, next to the current tab, that it doesn't work? This is the behaviour I prefer for tabs, but yet I can't get it to work? All new tabs get created at the end. (CTRL+T), right-click -> new tab, and clicking the new tab button.Anonymous
October 30, 2006
Anyone notice this new behavior?: When you have more than one active tab, left-click on one of them and drag left or right; you can now swap tabs around. This was not possible in any of the pre-release versions I used. Very cool. Also hit F11, and wait a few secs. Nice, Eh? Need it back? move your mouse to the top of the screen--just like a taskbar. Want it all fixed in place again? Hit F11. Sort of dies an end-run around the complaint that the new window design takes up too much space. It actually takes up NO space at all, if yo merely invoke the EffEleven.Anonymous
October 30, 2006
@steve_web "I'll give you a hint at what solves their browser problems. Its a 7 letter word, starts with "F" and ends with "irefox"." ... Then why are you complaining about helping out family members here? You've already solved their browser problems, and this is a browser blog.Anonymous
October 30, 2006
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October 30, 2006
m.h. -- this blog posting is specifically about MSXML 5.0 not being usable (by default) in IE. No web developer (internet or intranet) should ever have built anything on top of MSXML5, since it was 1) only distributed with Office 2003 and 2) not intended for any development outside Office-specific development.Anonymous
October 30, 2006
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October 30, 2006
Please.... get rid of the stupid balloon tip when you turn off anti-phishing It's really annoying And why does my IE chrash every time I visit www.tv.com ?Anonymous
October 30, 2006
Nathan, did you read what I said about MSXML5? Actually you probably didn't since it looks like you posted your comment at exactly the same time I did :-) MSXML5 was never released to the general developer community. For better or worse, it was developed especially for Office 2003 and it's been made clear that it is not for external use. The fact is, MSXML5 offered few features over MSXML4. Any web pages that use MSXML5 (despite being told not to) aren't gaining anything. In fact, most pages should use MSXML 3.0 since it is the most widely-installed version. (3.0 comes with XP, whereas 4.0 is only a separate download. 6.0 will come with Vista and is also available for separate download.)Anonymous
October 31, 2006
@PatriotB Regarding the new tab options... if the behaviour you describe, is the intended behaviour, then the BUG I would like to submit, is that it doesn't work if you open the new tab any other way. Consistency is very important in an application, and this is one area that needs work. In the 3+ years I've played with tabs, I've always wanted to open the new tab, next to the current. This option should be available, and it should be for all new tabs, regardless of how they were created.Anonymous
October 31, 2006
When invoking print preview, some sites take a looooong time to render... can the hourglass be shown here such that it doesn't look like the browser has crashed? I thought the preview was broken on a few pages, until I discovered it just needed another 5-10 seconds. Another bug. PS I also noticed, that Locking and Unlocking the toolbars (via right click on the chrome) often (like 95%) causes an additional row of empty chrome below the tabs (same height as a tab row) Happens with small and large icons.Anonymous
October 31, 2006
http://www.tv.com/ this site is good. It takes 100% of my CPUAnonymous
October 31, 2006
"And why does my IE chrash every time I visit www.tv.com ?" Try visiting it with FireFox. It might not crash but it eats up the browser's CPU time. That's pretty bad. Then again, there are a few thousand validation errors.Anonymous
October 31, 2006
K, next few quirks. #1) On a page with a background behind some content (e.g. a div)... Right-click > "Copy Background" Uhm, yeah, so like what is it supposed to do? It doesn't copy it to the clipboard... #2) As a web developer, one of the most handy tools I have, is right-click > View Image or right-click > View background Image. Neither of these features are available in IE7. Is there an extension that will add them? #3) right-click > Save Image. In my settings, since... 1995? I have set windows to ALWAYS show me the file extension, because it is important. In the dialog above, the file extension is not displayed. (contradicts my settings) This works fine in all other browsers. #4) right-click > Email picture. There is no option to "always" email the original size, or at least "remember" that I do not want to resize it. #5) right-click > Email picture. The options to resize appear, even if the image is an icon (e.g. less that 50x50, thus not needing a resize.) Can this not be enhanced to better determine the {{possible}} need to scale? #6) Set as Background. There is no confirmation for this action, nor is there options to center, tile, or stretch the image. The default is stretch, which usually creates the worst image (between center and stretch). #7) RSS/Feed discovery. On pages that have RSS feeds, how come there is no indicator that the site supports RSS, and better yet, gives no simple options to subscribe, or point to my application for RSS? e.g. http://digg.com/view/technology?s=IE7 will provide a nice RSS feed, for all digg articles about IE7. In firefox, you just click in the location bar, and choose what you want to subscribe to.Anonymous
October 31, 2006
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October 31, 2006
@Aedrin The trick is, there is an underlying... security? thought here (not issue, just a, hmmmm) If I host a site, and I use (insert 3rd party name here) for advertizing and some revenue, there is a fairly good chance it will be nested in an iframe on my page, often generated via JavaScript. Now, if this party, (now we are talking beyond my control), nests an iframe, if they mess up the protocol, then my site does not display! I just think that NOT showing my site, because my 3rd party advertiser messed up their code (which was nicely contained in a iframe, that should have no XSS capabilities to mess up my site, is not the best approach. Other browsers simply: a.) ignore the content b.) alert the user that protocol abc:// is not valid c.) show some sort of page not found, inside the iframeAnonymous
October 31, 2006
IE7 is still coming out to Windows/Microsoft update tomorrow right? I know I can download it off microsoft.com but I always get my updates through Microsoft Update so I'll just wait for that.Anonymous
October 31, 2006
@steve_web "Now, if this party, (now we are talking beyond my control), nests an iframe, if they mess up the protocol, then my site does not display!" Then contact them and have them correct their mistakes. Or opt to not use them because of said mistakes.Anonymous
October 31, 2006
After using IE7 for almost a week now, I can safely say that the IE Team over-hyped the superficial security and web standard changes made from IE6. They however were able to masterfully conceal this with a pretty new interface. BTW IE Team, I found it rather easy to do a first-party (no third-party software) interface that enables the IE7 Vista theme for XP. You might want to lock that down.Anonymous
October 31, 2006
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November 01, 2006
I download IE7 through Microsoft Update and I like it a lot but how the heck do I turn off Cleartype? I don't like this option and I can't seem to find an easy way to get back to the same page as when I first installed which asked me about saving my default search engine, cleartype, phishing filter and that microsoft program. I have found everything so far except the cleartype thing so any help is appreicated. I want to turn the dang thing off.Anonymous
November 01, 2006
search this blog and you'll find the answerAnonymous
November 01, 2006
Despite regularly lurking on this blog, and therefore being forewarned, my first encounter with IE has still brought up a few oddities..
- I never realised how much I'd miss the menu till I couldn't see it anymore. Watching someone less experienced using it is almost painful. They can't find any of the old familiar options. The new "Page" button just confuses them, though they did work out the new "Tools" => "Internet Options" in the end. It doesn't help that by default, the "Help" menu seems to be hidden off screen and only accessible by the >> chevrons.
- The menus themselves seem to behave inconsistently. On some websites (with shortcut-keys setup I guess?) holding ALT+E doesn't open the Edit menu. You have to tap ALT then press E. Tapping ALT then pressing ALT+E (which I keep on doing - Agh!) closes the menu-bar and doesn't open anything! It seems odd that the page is allowed to override browser behaviour!?.
- I found the history popup from the back/forward buttons, but there seems to be no way to open one of these pages in a new tab. No amount of middle-clicking, dragging or anything else seemed to do it.
- Opening the history sidebar (while still on my quest to open a history-page in a new tab) I accidently middle-clicked the 'domain' folder instead of an actual page - this opened 4 new tabs titled "Connecting..." (presumably to load the 4 actual pages), but all these tabs promptly closed themselves down without showing anything - very useful.
- Right-clicking on any of the back/forward/refresh buttons opens the title-bar menu (move, resize, etc). Stranger still, if you choose "Move" from this window, you can only actually move the screen by clicking on the actual title-bar
- My home-page is a plain page of links on my own computer. The first time I clicked "Home", the info bar appeared warning me of scripts/active-x trying to run... There are no scripts/active-x objects on this page at all, it's just plain HTML! When I clicked the bar and allowed the page to use these non-existent scripts/active-x IE presumably added it to a white-list somewhere but I can't find any record it in the security options (local intranet/restricted/etc) - where is this stored? Is "My Computer" a (hidden) security level?
- I must've moved the mouse to the top left a million times already looking for the "Home" and "Refresh" buttons.
- I can't decide if I like ClearType or not. On some websites it seems fine, on others it's almost painful to read - The jury is still out.
- Some good news, the CSS improvements seem to work pretty well so far, and I've only noticed a couple of minor quirks!
Anonymous
November 01, 2006
Well folks, the IE7 AU Critical Update roll-outs have started! I hereby declare this "tech support week!" Oh that coffee better be fresh tomorrow.Anonymous
November 01, 2006
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November 01, 2006
I just searched the blog. The only thing I came up with was an internet control panel from IE6 not 7. I do know in the Multimedia section it has an open to. Always use ClearType for HTML*. This option atm is checked. I just don't like messing with this panel unless I'm totally sure. That is why I asked. Plus it also requires a restart.Anonymous
November 01, 2006
It only requires a restart of the browser, not your whole system...Anonymous
November 02, 2006
Do you know how many of Microsoft staff use IE 7 as their default browser (at home, etc.)? Conclusion is obvious. :-)Anonymous
November 02, 2006
I never said whole computer. I just don't like messing around with those options since I never really have before. That's why I was asking in here if that was the option or not. Why does everyone seem to take such offense at someone asking for help? Anyways thankyou for your help.Anonymous
November 02, 2006
@xfile: I believe that post is aimed at professional users in corporate environments. In such cases it benefits everyone if they are given specific information to ensure that the computers do not break down. "(2) Does it sound more like installing a service pack than a browser?" IE is a part of the OS so you could consider it a service pack actually. "from your own MVP" I believe this means that they did some kind of certification. It doesn't mean they are employed at Microsoft. MVP = Microsoft Valued Professional "(4)Asking people for removing ZA?" Isn't it ridiculous that they have to ask people to remove ZA? Automatically people will look badly upon IE for that requirement. But don't you think that ZA should be allowing IE to be installed? Maybe the fault is in ZA itself? @Baowoulf "Why does everyone seem to take such offense at someone asking for help?" Because most people come in here and wrongly blame IE for everything. That leaves everyone with a bad taste in their mouth, so when someone asks a question that could be taken as commenting on IE, then you get that kind of answer..Anonymous
November 02, 2006
If they got that impression I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to badmouth IE. I just didn't like the option and wanted to know how to turn it off is all.Anonymous
November 02, 2006
@Aedrin I know what is MVP, and know they are no employeed by MS, or did I imply in anyway. But they got "certificate" from MS, and in many ways, people treat them (as they also wish to) as "autorized" source for technical solutions. I know it's part of OS, that's why I made extra preparations and had no problem. Question is - Most people don't know and don't even expect a reboot. For ZA, keep blaming others, but installer could have a check on that as well? What about a roll-back feature for installation failure? I guess no, since so many people can't use neither browser. You can have "it's all others' faults" attitude, let's see how users will react on that. Again, I have no problems for installing and using IE7 and I even kind of like it. But I will ban any installation in our office, and have no hesitation to suggest others for doing the same. Good luck.Anonymous
November 02, 2006
@Baowoulf For many its supporters, you can't question or even have any doubt about its products, or you are badmouthing the company. Don't you see the pattern already?Anonymous
November 05, 2006
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